RDM BAIT BAN APPEAL

[mer]

Your Character or Steam Name: lasermer

Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): 

STEAM_0:1:674781158

Your Discord ID#: lasermer

Reason for ban: RDM BAITING

Length of ban:  7 days 

Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute 

Why should you be unbanned? 
I feel like this is straight bias, I was chilling at  La Volpe balcony for around 5-10 minutes when I was asked to leave, rightfully they pressed me to get out of their property calling me a kike, I do have to say I talked shit back to them (but only after they pressed me). One of their guys punched me and then they pulled a gun on me, two guys who have always had my name and knew me IC were on the roofs and shot them (they were on the roofs 10-15 minutes before I even got into la volpe). Adam argued that I was setting up a shootout and got into La Volpe for the sole purpose of baiting them, which I feel is retarded as I was the first one to get pressed, after being told to leave maybe 5 seconds later I got punched (not like i sat there for more than a minute not complying with them waiting to get hit). 

I do see heavy bias on my ban as I believe some of the people that  were involved in the shootout got into their staff character and joined my sit (one of them being novi) with the sole purpose of making biased comments that favoured the decision of me getting banned. 
dditional Information (images, videos, etc):

[adam]

The clips I was shown provided evidence you were RDM baiting, every staff in the sit agreed as such. There was no bias involved in my decision to ban you for a week, I simply looked at your POs, and then banned you for a week. 

In this clip, you can be seen RDM baiting, being told to leave multiple times before your friends on the roof open fire, causing a shootout. 

[mer]

"Every staff in the sit agreed as such" You mean the guy who got on his staff char after being involved in the shootout? The bias is sad. The only non comission guy there was Zeus, and you were telling him what to do. 

[Novi]

Hopped on my staff character to see what happened, made 0 comments or suggestions for any ban nor length. You guys did all that when you planned the rdm baiting and executed it lmfao

[money blue]

8 hours ago, Novi said:

Hopped on my staff character to see what happened, made 0 comments or suggestions for any ban nor length. You guys did all that when you planned the rdm baiting and executed it lmfao

“to see what happened” bro did you not just say you were in the crowd where everything happened? and you definitely had a lot to say in the sit. 

[Canadian-bacon]

I had a congregation of 5 different people look into it, including myself. We determined that this in-fact is baiting; which is against the server rules. 

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9. You may not attack/start confrontations with people in order to kill them when they defend themselves. This is considered baiting.

 

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6. You may kill in self defence or in defence of your partners/faction/property. When you've been attacked by an aggressor and survive (you did not aggravate or bait them to hit you) you may return with a weapon to kill them.

 

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For a more clear example of Idle threats, active threats, insults and fights. See the following video
(Disclaimer: Initiating arguments just to attack someone when they return your insults or taking any comment as an insult and immediately escalating to hitting them can be considered baiting as proper escalation / the spirit of the rule is not being followed)

In essence attempting to initiate a conflict in order to garner an escalation / reaction just for the excuse to then kill them, disguising the interaction as valid RP/within rules whereas the spirit of the rule and the intention is violated purposefully, this is usually done in a targeted matter against players or groups you do not like.

It's no secret that there have been shifts in server dynamics recently a lot of people feel as if tensions are heightened, however, no escalation or conflict is currently active and as such there are no special permissions that grant people the ability to perform targeted harassment of properties or businesses, nor are things like shootouts cleared.

This was a clear initiation of a bait as the individual who went to the opposing property went there without any real reason. They solely arrived there to cause problems and when rightfully asked to leave refused to do so in order to force escalation to fear RP / violence in which pre-placed members providing over watch on an adjacent rooftop, who would have had no other reason to be there, and who would not have known it was someone with their f3/someone was being attacked had they not been watching and been aware of what was transpiring, then opened fire seconds later causing a mass shootout and escalation of what could have simply been a fist fight or property ejection. 

"But it was rp i went there to cause problems it was valid rp"

As stated

• No active conflict or special status that warrants you extra permission to cause problems / target unnecessarily.
• You went into their property with armed back up knowing full well the possible outcome if they rightfully removed you from their property by force.

 

The baiting is pretty clear cut in this context.

 

As for the claims of bias, pretty instantly when punishments were handed down claims of bias were made, claims that the ban was made longer due to bias, claims the ban reason was false and only done as a result of bias and claims that this appeal process would be tainted by bias. Ultimately, it's possible for staff members to make errors, they are at the end of the day volunteers on a server and do their best to get it right from sit to sit, which is why I am reviewing this along with other uninvolved parties.


So for the ban. I find there is a rule-break and there is wrong doing.

This is your 5th ban, and I will be giving you some leeway, i think the ban for 7 days is a bit much and will be reducing it to 2 days, but I am warning you now that you need to abide by the rules better, i mean staff can't be 'biased' in your bans if you're a rule abiding player right? Surely that is logically sound.

 

 

Your ban appeal has been reviewed and accepted.

The ban will be reduced to 2 days.