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[luca standayo]

I am writing to appeal a recent Permanent Kill (PK) that resulted from an incident involving Vehicle Deathmatch (VDM) on January 18th. I was involved in a situation where, despite my best efforts to avoid it, I ended up hitting multiple pedestrians who were unexpectedly in the middle of the road. I attempted to slow down and maneuver around them, but given the large number of people spread out across the street, there was little I could do to fully avoid the collision.

When I explained this to the admin, I was told that it didn’t matter and that I should have tried to move out of the way or slow down more. I made it clear that I did indeed try to slow down, but with so many people in the road, moving around them wasn’t feasible without still risking hitting some of them. Despite this, I felt the admin was not fully understanding my position.

What concerns me further is the inconsistency in how similar situations are handled. I regularly see players who engage in repeated VDM or ramming of other vehicles without facing PKs, which feels somewhat unfair. I also spoke with members of my Discord community, and many of them agreed that the PK in this situation seemed unreasonable. To make amends for the incident, I even offered to compensate the player I hit, but my efforts to resolve the situation were not considered.

I genuinely enjoy playing as this character and my role within the game, and I’ve formed positive relationships with other players as well. Losing this character feels particularly disheartening because there was no roleplay context for my PK, making my character's death seem out of place.

If possible, I would greatly appreciate the chance to return to the game with this character. If not, I plan to record any future incidents involving VDM or ramming and expect those players to be held to the same standard as I was, receiving PKs as well.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I hope for a fair and reasonable resolution to this matter.

Best regards, Niky Leroso

[Jmoorsey]

You must follow the provided template for the appeal, failure to do so will result in an instant denial.


Name of Character:

SteamID:

Your Discord ID#:

Date of PK:

Reason for PK:

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?:

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

[ItsNebs]

Hey big man, PK'ing Administrator here, so as explained the in the sit you had ran over 3 cops, and a person they were attempting to arrest.
In the initial phase of the sit the clip I was provided did appear a little skeptical, and was being question. After conferring with fellow staff, as well as receiving another clip, I deemed you liable for hitting the cops, and driving off, which then resulted in your death by being shot and killed by a cop that you did not hit in the process. In the second clip it appears clear that you made no attempt to try and steer clear of anyone in that group, while yes they were in the middle of the road you had plenty of time to stop, slow down, or move to the other side of the road. As well as once you hit the group of officer's you tried to speed off, and get away from plowing through them.
While driving on the roads you need to be aware of your surroundings, and hitting even one cop, and driving off and getting killed is VCWP(Violent Confrontation With Police), I understand you said you made attempts to swerve from the group, but the clips provided do not show you making ANY attempt to miss them at all, and leniency was given with the fact that if you had actually killed any of them(ruining the RP situation of the arrest), that MVDM could've been argued, and a possible ban brought onto you.

Edited January 20 by ItsNebs

[luca standayo]

name of character Niky Leroso Steam Id: 76561199006324846 date of pk 1-18-25 not sure on the reason for pk wasn't roleplayed 

I am writing to appeal a recent Permanent Kill (PK) that resulted from an incident involving Vehicle Deathmatch (VDM) on January 18th. I was involved in a situation where, despite my best efforts to avoid it, I ended up hitting multiple pedestrians who were unexpectedly in the middle of the road. I attempted to slow down and maneuver around them, but given the large number of people spread out across the street, there was little I could do to fully avoid the collision.

When I explained this to the admin, I was told that it didn’t matter and that I should have tried to move out of the way or slow down more. I made it clear that I did indeed try to slow down, but with so many people in the road, moving around them wasn’t feasible without still risking hitting some of them. Despite this, I felt the admin was not fully understanding my position.

What concerns me further is the inconsistency in how similar situations are handled. I regularly see players who engage in repeated VDM or ramming of other vehicles without facing PKs, which feels somewhat unfair. I also spoke with members of my Discord community, and many of them agreed that the PK in this situation seemed unreasonable. To make amends for the incident, I even offered to compensate the player I hit, but my efforts to resolve the situation were not considered.

I genuinely enjoy playing as this character and my role within the game, and I’ve formed positive relationships with other players as well. Losing this character feels particularly disheartening because there was no roleplay context for my PK, making my character's death seem out of place.

If possible, I would greatly appreciate the chance to return to the game with this character. If not, I plan to record any future incidents involving VDM or ramming and expect those players to be held to the same standard as I was, receiving PKs as well.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I hope for a fair and reasonable resolution to this matter.

Best regards,

 

its not that simply to just move when the gmod mechanics for cars Are not that easy to control  i speed off because i was being shot i mean would u just sit there and get shot or would you attempt to fear for your life and I've seen many people get shot by cops not resulting in a pk and i even explained that i did try to stop and i did even try to reverse to apologies  but it resulted in me being shot

 

im just saying a pk seems a little over the edge especially if the officer wasn't involved id be willing to trade my pk for a week or 2 ban if that's possible like i mentioned there's various people who get on and vdm or attempt to even when im in a car i have a clip form last night of people spawning stuff in from out of nowhere and throwing it at my car https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/jwcSwFSsFB9aA37bY?invite=cr-MSxhbE8sMTU3OTMwNDA0LA

[ItsNebs]

Okay so, I will explain this again, by running cops over you started a violent encounter with them. That clip you provided and what you were PK'd for are completely different. The solution to that clip you provided is a simple staff sit of prop abuse.
You ran 3 cops over, and a civilian being arrested/detained by them, you missed one, and proceeded to drive off, a cop you missed then shot and killed you, ending the violent encounter, and resulting in your permanent death.

[luca standayo]

yeah that not what you said in sit though you didn't mention anything like that and I've seen many people have violent encounters with cops and get killed but not pked and i didn't get pked when the cop killed me I've had a player killed and its told me on screen you died but in the sit you just said I'm just going to go Ahed and kill your character off if you're supposed to pk players from violent confrontations with cops then why have I witnessed someone die from a violent encounter and return as that same character multiple times i witnessed last night at the Governers  mansion multiple cops dying from a violent encounter but no pk for them like I said though Ima just record everything that anyone does wrong and i hope they get pked like i did if that's how its based and im reading each and every rule as we speak thanks anyways 

[ItsNebs]

7 hours ago, luca standayo said:

yeah that not what you said in sit though you didn't mention anything like that and I've seen many people have violent encounters with cops and get killed but not pked and i didn't get pked when the cop killed me I've had a player killed and its told me on screen you died but in the sit you just said I'm just going to go Ahed and kill your character off if you're supposed to pk players from violent confrontations with cops then why have I witnessed someone die from a violent encounter and return as that same character multiple times i witnessed last night at the Governers  mansion multiple cops dying from a violent encounter but no pk for them like I said though Ima just record everything that anyone does wrong and i hope they get pked like i did if that's how its based and im reading each and every rule as we speak thanks anyways 

That's not how cop PK's work, they are retroactive, you by RUNNING them over started the violent encounter, and got killed, the cop is then responsible to make a ticket, and have you PK'd. A person randomly dying on the street, or dying in a bs shootout in the ghetto with another civilian also doesn't constitute a PK. I suggest reading the PK Rules and Guidelines, those will explain everything that is a valid reason for Don's Order's, and retroactive PK's(mugging's, cop pk's, etc). And for the cop situation you mentioned at Governor's Mansion it is nearly impossible to actually PK a cop unless they commit Corruption, or Murder, or another serious felony.

[luca standayo]

Name of Character: Niky Leroso

SteamID: 76561196900632484

Your Discord ID#: 422900421280006156

Date of PK: January 18th, 2025

Reason for PK: Vehicle Deathmatch (VDM) / Violent Confrontation with Police

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?:

Hello, I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to appeal the PK placed on my character, Niky Leroso, which occurred on January 18th, 2025. I fully understand and respect the rules of the server, and I am committed to adhering to them as best as I can. However, I believe there were some circumstances in this situation that I would like to clarify, which I hope may provide some context and allow for reconsideration of my PK.

On the day of the incident, I was speeding down the street when I accidentally ran over three police officers and a civilian who was being detained by them. I want to emphasize that this was not intentional, and despite my best efforts, I was unable to slow down or maneuver my vehicle in time due to the crowded road and game mechanics. I made every attempt to avoid the collision, but unfortunately, I couldn’t react fast enough.

Following the collision, I was immediately shot by an officer I had missed, which ended the violent confrontation. I was sent to the hospital shortly after, and then I was PKed. I wanted to bring attention to the fact that once I was taken to the hospital, the violent encounter had effectively ended. As per the PK guidelines, retroactive PKs are only valid if the situation is ongoing during the event, and given that I was incapacitated and removed from the scene, I believe the situation should not be considered active at that point.

I completely understand the importance of following the server's PK rules, and I would never intentionally break them. I take responsibility for my actions and will strive to avoid any similar situations in the future. If there’s any additional context or information needed, I would be more than happy to provide it, and I would also appreciate it if any evidence or clips from the situation could be provided to clarify the events further.

Thank you very much for your time and consideration. I am eager to continue playing and contributing to the community while following the rules to the best of my ability.

If possible, please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

Unfortunately, I do not have video evidence available, but I am happy to clarify any details or provide further context if necessary.

[Canadian-bacon]

As you already have an existing appeal thread open for this character I have merged this message into the original thread. @luca standayo

[luca standayo]

thank you I just wasn't sure if I had to re-apply or not apricate it.

[ItsNebs]

Okay, so as I have already explained you ran over 3 cops, 1 civi being arrested, got shot and killed by a 4th cop you missed. Retroactive PK's work in the sense that the person(in this case the officer) needs to have valid reason to kill you(running over other cops), then once they have completed the kill, yes you are sent to the hospital, it is then the officers responsibility to make a sit, and have an Admin take it, and proceed with finishing the PK. 
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/jwdxThpw3iso5hXq3/c751zMTLIKmj?invite=cr-MSxsZmIsMjQ4NTAzMjQs

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/jwdGnwDAZucOXggQ1/poyIg4riS3gv?invite=cr-MSxQNFIsMjE3OTcwNTE3LA

Both clips provided.

[luca standayo]

"In this situation, I wasn’t actively fleeing—I was just driving. However, the officers shot me immediately without any chance for me to stop, surrender, or even communicate. There was no attempt to pull me over or give me a warning. I wasn't an immediate threat, so I believe this was a violation of the FearRP rule, as I should have been given the opportunity to react or comply.

Additionally, the lack of roleplay in this situation was concerning. The officers didn’t engage with me in a reasonable way—there was no attempt to talk to me or give me a chance to understand the situation. This felt like a violation of FailRP, as they escalated too quickly without allowing the roleplay to unfold naturally."

 

[Youbear]

Hi there, If it truly was an accident I would assume you would swerve or stop your car or attempt in any way to avoid the collision but from the clips your engine can be heard revving up to pick up speed once you hit them. I do not believe this was an accident and since it wasnt, it would classify as using deadly force on an officer, therefore I will be denying this. 

Your appeal has been reviewed and denied.

We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified.

You may not re-appeal this PK.