Khozozo237 PK Appeal

[khozozo237]

Name of Character: Emiliano 'El Negro' Del Rio

 

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:207767086

 

Your Discord ID#: .sd11

 

Date of PK: 24/12 EST

 

Reason for PK: Shooting a police officer and dying in the confrontation

 

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?:

Me and my friend mugged and kidnapped 1 guy. We stripped the guy off all his clothes so he only has a white shirt on now and we also took off his phone, drugs and his weapon. After this we locked him up in the bathroom hands tied. 2 minutes later, Someone shot the door. Me and my friend thought it were the friends of the kidnapped person. 1 minute later, the door was open and we thought it was lock picked. After I peeked the corner I saw police. The police did not identify themselves from what I could hear inside the room so how could I have known it was police in the first place. The police shot immediately and you can also hear it in the video. You first hear the shotgun and then the shots out of the desert eagle.

 

In the clip of the police officer there was a guy telling him there was someone being kidnapped and only wearing a white shirt in our room. There is no way someone would have known him being kidnapped and definitely not him being a white shirt now, because we stripped him off clothes inside the room. The only persons who would have known are me, my friend and the kidnapped guy in the bathroom. He also voluntarily went inside the room because of a drug deal, so no one also saw him being kidnapped and in cuffs or being stripped of his clothes. So all the information was inside the room and for some reason with a closed door and walls around the room some guy outside of the room knew exactly what was going on. In the staff ticket, this guy lied to the admin (Falcon) and told him he only heard shots, but there were no shots fired in our room.

 

This is a blatant case of meta gaming. I made a staff ticket and the admin did not even want to hear my side of the story and immediately pked me because I shot at the police even though the rules state if police started the engagement its not a pk if you get killed.
Source:

■ Initiating a shootout or violent confrontation with Police can lead to a PK. Killing or attacking an Officer after initiating a violent confrontation leaves you PK active from officers for about 15 minutes. Generally we want people to not immediately go for the gun when dealing with Police, as a result if you escalate a situation to a shootout and lose you can be punished via PK as your character was killed. This does not apply if it is the Police that fired first or escalated to a shootout.

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/jlR3elZk5EZoPvSRT?invite=cr-MSxNQXksMjUyNzkxMjE3LA (Clip of the police officer) (if the medal clip gets deleted, let me know. I downloaded it and it can be reuploaded.)

https://youtu.be/pl872zPiQ6w (Clip of my friend) (edited)

 

Edited December 25, 2024 by khozozo237

[GlamourPunk]

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[Falcon]

Hello, I pk'd both of you. I've also explained like 3 times in the admin sit exactly why you guys were pk'd as well as after the fact in DMs with even another reason. I don't know how else to explain this to you if you can't understand the fact that not only did you recently mug someone and were pk active, but you and your friend both had guns up on your door with the police breaching (Literally nobody else can just kick your door open other than police; you'd hear lockpicking if it was a civilian raid), then I don't know what to say anymore. Your friend opened fire on police and with both of your guns up, now is not the time for police to ask questions, it's a fat RIP.

[khozozo237]

The issue here is the meta gaming. The other person had specific information about things that happened inside the room. I already explained it in the pk appeal if you even took the time to read it, but according to your reply you didn't. No shots were fired prior to the police breach. A PK is only given if you are initiating a mugging and did initiate a shootout or a violent confrontation with the police. According to the clips, the act of mugging was already done and transitioned into another action(Kidnapping). They shot first and did initiate a shootout, being armed in anticipation of an unknown threat is not an act of violence and not 'initiating' a shootout.

The information that the police and the other guy had could have only came from meta gaming, as no one outside the room would have known these details. If you even took the time to watch the video, at 00:29 you can hear the guy telling the police information that is impossible to know outside of the room. Meta Gaming influenced the whole rp situation and made the situation unfair, that lead to my PK.

This PK should be repealed as the reason for this PK is based on meta gamed information, which is not allowed to be used IC and made this whole situation invalid.

[Falcon]

There was no metagame, all involved parties' stories lined up. Your neighbor was firing off rounds, someone made a 911 call right outside your room, an officer was nearby and said he heard the shots as well, called for backup. That's probable cause for ghetto doors to start getting kicked in, especially the ones near the 911 call, this is the last thing I say on this matter as I feel like I'm a broken record at this point.

[Memeologist]

https://medal.tv/nl/games/garrys-mod/clips/jlR3elZk5EZoPvSRT/eUEIXeOUrtZj?invite=cr-MSxNQXksMjUyNzkxMjE3LA

at 0:28 the unknown that called the police says "he is mugged in there, there are two guys, the guy with the white shirt is getting mugged" this is information that is impossible to know except ooc communications 

[Nigatar]

On 12/25/2024 at 7:00 PM, Memeologist said:

https://medal.tv/nl/games/garrys-mod/clips/jlR3elZk5EZoPvSRT/eUEIXeOUrtZj?invite=cr-MSxNQXksMjUyNzkxMjE3LA

at 0:28 the unknown that called the police says "he is mugged in there, there are two guys, the guy with the white shirt is getting mugged" this is information that is impossible to know except ooc communications 
 

Yeah how he know that info they should investigate and hand out meta game bans cause wtf 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Nigatar

[Memeologist]

57 minutes ago, Nigatar said:

Yeah how he know that info they should investigate and hand out meta game bans cause wtf 

the craziest part is that the person went in with his suit and willingly because we set this up as a drugdeal from rumour. we removed his clothes when he was in restrains. furhtermore the black character was hiding in the bathroom and came out with a gun to rob him....

[anzati1]

The reason this appeal took so long is because when metagame is an excuse to something, its looked into deeply. The outcome of that, is that we found no evidence of metagaming, infact, we actually saw more proof to justify no metagame happening, than proof that they were metagaming.

There was a 911 call, false or not, thats an in character issue. The person also who made the call, had no mutual factions with the person being kidnapped, and the call was made right infront of your door.

Now for the cops raiding the place, they saw the 911 call and were already in the area, hence why they came in fast and hard. You should not of shot at the cops if you wanted a chance to not be pked on the spot. With all of that information, the only foul play here that I could find is the basis for the 911 call. The raid by NYPD was also an IC issue, because 911 calls are not probably cause to kick a door down. The tying sound is also very loud, and very easily can be heard through the walls.

Your appeal has been reviewed and denied.

We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified.

You may not re-appeal this PK.

Edited December 31, 2024 by anzati1