Ban Appeal

[TroubledGhost]

Your Character or Steam Name: Troubledghost

Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): (in black)

STEAM_0:0:90789839

Your Discord ID#: rufie.

Reason for ban: RDM

Length of ban: 1 week

Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): dispute

Why should you be unbanned? 

Hellooo - i was banned by falcon whilst i was offline for RDM and the only reason i can see me getting banned for a kill is for me killing one of the few people who shot at us whilst i was in a cab, and the cab driver was taking me to my destination - granted the cab driver perhaps was awful at driving - and the cab got shot at by someone whos car was hit (maybe? not sure) and was chasing the cab driver for their "insurance details" and he drove off due to the fact there wasnt anything meaning full to RP there. I took damage from it and got out to see who it was. There were two people who dressed similar aand i got a glimpse of it - and upon returning (and being ran over etc) we had a discussion I shot one of them as they were coercing and threatening me and the cabbie. I did pull out a gun way to early and played it off as saying "the cab driver owes me money too, dont worry youre cool" and the fact i was shot at - i killed one of them.

Now i think the error may be the fact, looking at my clip, i may have potentially killed the wrong guy who didnt shoot at us initially and pin it to the spur of the moment as it was quite hectic. But we got shot at for no good reason, being shot at for a tap isnt it, and should surely be rdm in itself due to it being a poor ecuse, if it was multiple hits then sure but we were driving away and had no beef lol. Plus the threats werent helping - sure the guy that i killed didnt pull out a weapon and it waas verbal threats which would constitute being shot - but the fact we were shot at before - which in the moment i wasnt sure who eaactly - the fact the guy i shot was pressing and doing it i thought it waas him and shot him - (looking at the clip the guy who shot at us was slightly distant hence attention being on them)

The cab driver had no one to defend him and i took that stance - even if both of us are being threatened after the fact we did nothing worthy of being shot at. 

 

so i hope for this to be overturned as its a messy situation which shouldnt have started initially by being shot at for no good reason and followed with threats with either of the two suspects as I  believed they both possessed the ability to hurt/harm us.

Additional Information (images, videos, etc):

The clip for some reason is muted, but this shows the 2 minutes about before what happened. (you can see blood spatter from the back of the caab when we're driving away)

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/j9UBNL0oR211zetaU?invite=cr-MSxXRTksMTk2MzAwODIxLA

[WillyWhacker]

I was the cab driver in this situation; I was driving like an idiot granted in little Italy; they threatened me & the cab passenger previously; they also pulled out and pointed a gun whilst the passenger was in the car; this cannot be seen in the provided clip, but we were threatened multiple different times. The Guy acted in self-defence; this should not be classified as RDM. 

Edited November 26 by WillyWhacker
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[Falcon]

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/j9UBGBdKVTpqLUEkK?invite=cr-MSx4WnEsMTc3MzQ0NTUs   As far as the clip goes, this is RDM. If someone gives you a reason to kill them, you only have right then and there to kill the guy. You can't just pocket kill reasons and kill them when you feel like it. This clip clearly shows the guy just standing there and you killing him, and then you DC from the server about a minute or two after.

[TroubledGhost]

Have you not seen my clip and seen the bigger picture?? I literally shown you the minutes before hand giving at least 2 more minutes of context which you wont find in that clip giving you my side and i believe I gave a more thorough explanation to defend myself and state that this entire situation shouldn't be pointed at me as we were randomly shot at the beginning.

It's not the case he's "standing still" and if anything i had 5 minutes to enact and this fell within the 5 minutes -  taking this clip at face value which it seems like is not okay. I wouldn't have killed if i didnt view it as valid and frankly i believed it was at the time of the incident. 

 

Frankly this should constitute as RDM baiting.

Edited November 26 by TroubledGhost
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[Falcon]

See, what I was looking at when I was banning you was not only your lengthy record of notes, but the clip provided to me at the time. Usually before an admin makes a decision, they bring the person to get their side / any evidence they may be able to provide before banning them. This was not the case however with you, as you left the server. We act on it whether you're on the server or not, we don't wait for the person to come back online to pick back up where the ticket left off.

 

I've watched your video, in it's entirety, twice. Rules are black and white yes, but every situation is different to another. Most staff have been around long enough to be able to tell when it's a clear rule break, when it isn't, and when it's dancing on the line of a rule break, and even if it is that questionable, almost always they ask for help and get a 2nd opinion. Your clip solidifies my punishment (in my mind).

 

You're a cab driver for New York City and you are threatened in a known area for organized crime, literally called Little Italy, with guns, and verbal commands. You had ample opportunity to either A) flee the scene like most cab drivers would, or B) channeling your inner most John Wick and taking care of the threat. You had ample opportunities to do either, you chose neither. You stood around, ran around, drove your car the opposite direction from the problem at hand, basically everything but your 2 options when faced with an active threat, and waited until everyone but you moved on from the situation to kill him. Again, with your history of notes for quite a lot of different things, this looked malicious. Upper staff will decide if this is worth reducing or removing, but that's where I stand on it.

Edited November 27 by Falcon

[TroubledGhost]

Thank you for voicing your point, to clarify:

 

1. I am not a NYC cabbie, that was the other commenter above - I work for another family.

2. I took option B - they didnt expect it and I took care of business - trying to escape before being gunned down by a bystander lol.

3. Regardless of actions i took i had 5 minutes to complete my revenge. We tried to find them after they ran off by a car and they returned to little italy, after we returned and i used the ATM to get ammo. And "no one moved on from the event but me"?? what video are you looking at?? we were literally standing and talking about the same situation lol which escalated.

4. This is gmod - not john wick, if i took care of the threat (which i did, prior to dying) little italy wwould be on my ass, which i do not mind nor care for as im prepare to take it - the style i used to get the job done was valid and of course it's malicious as I was, with intent, trying to kill someone who, in the moment, i deemed was a valid kill as they shot at us first for something that was not worthy of being shot at [hence the RDM bait]. Don't forget we did try talk about it and not escalate hence "standing around" but threats were thrown thus rendering the talk away.

5. Yes I hope UA will take a peek as in my opinion, respectfully, you still dont seem to have a grasp of the on going situation. (my leaving from the server im sure was a lot longer than 2 minutes after the event but not sure of course, logs can confirm).

 

I get me leaving the server (whilst i am with the belief it was a valid kill) and looking at my POs in my absence looks bad on me and i see why you may favour towards the "yeah probably he did it - look at his POs" - i suggest you reconsider and relook because clearly its not the case as ive sent you a clip too and even the cabbie wrote above which i dont think you took into consideration (we both died afterwards btw despite him not doing anything to warrant a death)

[anzati1]

With your extensive history of playing the server, notes, bans, etc yadada. You should know better, and continue to strive to NOT break rules intentionally. The clips provided while SOME were muted. But we have full context clips with audio. Reporter is standing beside the taxi, not even remotely involved and you shoot him then blame it on something that never happened.... Before killing someone, you should learn the context or ask SHOULD I shoot this person or not. You're already on a very thin rope, chances are if you continue to fuck up, it will be a permanent ban soon.
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Edited November 29 by anzati1