Jeremiah Morgan is dead, save him

[Gigachad Fabrizio]

PK Appeal Format

Name of Character: Jeremiah Morgan

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:121952555

Your Discord ID#: 194088770847375360

Date of PK: 2nd November 1988

Reason for PK: UC?

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: Multiple topics read down below

1. Potential Metagaming Fiasco 

1.1. Maggy Finch, who is also a legacy main.
1.2.1. Maggy Finch doesn’t redact anything when its REQUIRED by Detective Chief Hamir Abdul in this message here.

“[Link to the warrant (don't do this if it has snitches details, get a redacted version)]”
Intentionally or not, I cannot prove that. Here you see the message that Maggy Finch sent to Jon Deaux (Laventine)

Here in her ingame pager, you can clearly see that she notified the person (Jon Deaux) of this bank warrant, unsure of the exact timestamp, but it was sent 7 days ago. (27th of October). Jon Deaux turned himself in on October 31st, around 3pm EST.
Now I do fully understand that lawyers can talk to clients while they’re in the jail cells. But how did Mr. DD get a hold of this link? Checking logs, it was never communicated on the server once. I do understand certain parts of discord messages can be in character, but if hes only out of jail for what? 4 days to spread this warrant all over the server, yet they take 11 days to act on it (time of warrant being sent to time of me leaving the faction)? They could’ve killed me when I was in the faction with much less risk.
1.2. Sergei, who is also a Legacy main, randomly adds all of the ADA’s to an already sealed ticket?

Now why would that be, when its the only search warrant with my name written all over it?
1.2.1. Sergei got the bank warrant signed (that I did not create nor publish myself), with a long list of people still added to the ticket.

1.2.2. Sergei knows that Jon will be turning himself in because his “lawyer” said so…. Weird coincidence that Sergei, when getting on the server (DA’s almost never get on unless they have a purpose to be getting on.) Keep in mind, Sergei does have connections with Laventine people/the faction still.

1.2.3. Sergei telling me on the 27th OOCly wise they found out that I was a snitch, yet no IC documents had my undercover name on them whatsoever. (Yes this does not give them direct reason to PK, but it does give them even more to push on, and proves that it very easily got metagamed quickly) At the time I also was never in the PD discord, then they banned me from the Laventine Discord off ooc information. Yes the time frame might add up, but they had absolutely zero reasoning to know HOW I was the undercover name that I was. There was not a singular connection between my UC name and Jeremiah Morgan.

TLDR for #1:
Maggy is more on the edge of ‘did you do this on purpose’, when redacted copies are a possibility, even though in the end it might end up in the PK, it would’ve prolonged the death at minimum.
The search warrant was filed in the Supreme Court, common sense would say this as the process. 
1. Get the ticket locked down to one judge. 
2. File the full copy with the Supreme Court
3. Get a redacted version to send to the public/people involved until further notice/court trial

Sergei has multiple ties, and multiple ends where he potentially was either metagaming, or feeding information to the wrong people on purpose. The timestamps barely add up to when everything happened, especially the 11 day wait from the warrant being handed out, and then the kill actually happening, like I said before, they could’ve killed me when I was in the faction with much less risk of cop involvement, and on top of that one of their own guys getting pked out of this because cops shot him down.

2. Infinite Chances on PKing undercovers by rules. (Contesting Rules)
2.1. Undercover PK rules are all under server rules first of all.
2.2. When you infiltrate a faction while undercover you can be PK'ed at anytime.
- At some point in legal RP, names need to be shown. You cannot simply have a “shadow witness”, someone who talks, but never comes forward publicly. It simply is not allowed in law, they have the right to face their accuser.
2.3. Factions may PK you after you have left your undercover position if they are able to prove that it was you who infiltrated them.
-This has no time frame selected, hence infinite timeframe to figure it out. When someone goes to trial, they are handed a criminal complaint, which has a linked evidence
2.4. This 'left faction' reason is valid for 2 weeks after the individual leaves your organisation. If you failed to notice or care before those two weeks expired then clearly this person was not important enough to warrant going after. (Exceptions made if they snitch, falls under a different pk reason) However note that the target not logging on does not affect your ability to place the hit in-game. So give the in-game order before the 2 week expiration, regardless if they log in or not and you will still be permitted to carry out the hit later down the line. (Be careful! If they have already joined a new gang you may have to have an in-game sit down to sanction the hit or you may risk damaging your reputation with the faction they are now in)

TLDR for #2: You can either 
1. Get caught like I did by a mistake of a slip up, or an on purpose slip up, who knows.
2. Evidence at some point needs to be provided to someone outside of the Judges office, DA’s office, or even Lawyers/Public Defenders Office. There is no limit on how long you can take to find out someone was undercover in your faction.

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: all attached above
 

[WaffleDevs]

We figured everything out when jon told us that he asked "Ray Motts" for his 26 LSD, then the bank warrant/arrest warrant he recieved had your affidavit mentioning being asked for 26 LSD by jon. Ill let the others type full paragraph response, but remember, UA watched over this carefully and made sure everything was intact before ever setting you active. Cop pks dont just happen every day, and this was a big event. 

Also, the only one who would have connections with maggy or sergei would be either myself, or the 2 lawyers we had, but neither of us talked with either about the case. Hell, i even got kicked/banned from legacy discord for pointing out potentional metagame on another case, and Jon's main lawyer also has a feud with those 2. (Mccloskey legit made a metagame report over it on these forums)

Also, sergei added clerical assistants to the ticket, **NOT** the entire DA's office. Lmao

Edited November 3 by WaffleDevs

[Gigachad Fabrizio]

4 minutes ago, WaffleDevs said:

We figured everything out when jon told us that he asked "Ray Motts" for his 26 LSD, then the bank warrant/arrest warrant he recieved had your affidavit mentioning being asked for 26 LSD by jon. Ill let the others type full paragraph response, but remember, UA watched over this carefully and made sure everything was intact before ever setting you active. Cop pks dont just happen every day, and this was a big event. 

Also, the only one who would have connections with maggy or sergei would be either myself, or the 2 lawyers we had, but neither of us talked with either about the case. Hell, i even got kicked/banned from legacy discord for pointing out potentional metagame on another case, and Jon's main lawyer also has a feud with those 2. (Mccloskey legit made a metagame report over it on these forums)

Ray Motts had 0 connection to Jeremiah Morgan in any sort of IC documentation. I even left the PD discord when I was UC, so you couldnt check mutual servers.

Mccloskey is irrelevant in this situation, because he's not involved whatsoever, nor did I even bring up his name, nor did he even sign anything for the case.

[WaffleDevs]

1 minute ago, Gigachad Fabrizio said:

Ray Motts had 0 connection to Jeremiah Morgan in any sort of IC documentation. I even left the PD discord when I was UC, so you couldnt check mutual servers.

Mccloskey is irrelevant in this situation, because he's not involved whatsoever, nor did I even bring up his name, nor did he even sign anything for the case.

As I said, the warrant recieved had an affidavit signed by Jeremiah Morgan stated "jon had asked me for my 26 L for a crew deal" or something similar to these. 

Edited November 3 by WaffleDevs

[Gigachad Fabrizio]

3 minutes ago, WaffleDevs said:

As I said, the warrant recieved had an affidavit signed by Jeremiah Morgan stated "jon had asked me for my 26 L for a crew deal" or something similar to these. 

26 LSD might be a very specific number, but thousands of drugs are traded everyday. There is no direct connection, between Ray Motts and Jeremiah Morgan, there is no solidified evidence connecting the two. You only worked on transfer dates, which even that was a little rocky, as I could've just been taking an LOA or gotten fired.

[WaffleDevs]

6 minutes ago, Gigachad Fabrizio said:

26 LSD might be a very specific number, but thousands of drugs are traded everyday. There is no direct connection, between Ray Motts and Jeremiah Morgan, there is no solidified evidence connecting the two. You only worked on transfer dates, which even that was a little rocky, as I could've just been taking an LOA or gotten fired.

My last reply; Looking back at the affidavit (labelled as your second), you specify EXACT contact times, and exact numbers of drugs, and the fact that yours was being middlemaned. Jon had only been middlemaning for 1 person (to my knowledge) and only one person had 26 in the deal. These numbers on an affidavit Labeled, Titled, and Signed by "Jeremiah Morgan" are far more than enough to prove it was you being ray motts



Heres a photo of the deleted crew deal message (because it was over/canceled). @Krogh used to have the nick name Ray Motts.

Edited November 3 by WaffleDevs
Photo

[EngineerGaming]

Sorry you got PKed dude but don't throw me under the bus. I don't know why you harp on about my second char being a Legacy as if that makes me connected to Levantine. You didn't request a specially sealed ticket your ticket was just the standard seal we do for compartmentalization. I added the clerical assistants cause your case was huge there were a lot of warrants I wanted help from my office. As to how I knew he'd want to turn himself in its simple, you guys sent him the warrant and then his lawyer DMed me. I told him there wasn't any action against him, because at the time there wasn't we filed the CC days later. And yeah, I told you OOC that they knew you were a snitch. OOCly, in private DMs, and neither of us acted on that information in an IC fashion?

Like IDK man you saw everything before it got submitted to the courts. I'll be honest it was my first case involving an undercover, if its normal procedure to do a lot of redactions thats my bad but you didn't say shit at any point. Like staff can look at your DA ticket to see. Sorry you got PKed, don't blame your friends dog.

[Logan]

5 hours ago, EngineerGaming said:

Sorry you got PKed dude but don't throw me under the bus. I don't know why you harp on about my second char being a Legacy as if that makes me connected to Levantine. You didn't request a specially sealed ticket your ticket was just the standard seal we do for compartmentalization. I added the clerical assistants cause your case was huge there were a lot of warrants I wanted help from my office. As to how I knew he'd want to turn himself in its simple, you guys sent him the warrant and then his lawyer DMed me. I told him there wasn't any action against him, because at the time there wasn't we filed the CC days later. And yeah, I told you OOC that they knew you were a snitch. OOCly, in private DMs, and neither of us acted on that information in an IC fashion?

Like IDK man you saw everything before it got submitted to the courts. I'll be honest it was my first case involving an undercover, if its normal procedure to do a lot of redactions thats my bad but you didn't say shit at any point. Like staff can look at your DA ticket to see. Sorry you got PKed, don't blame your friends dog.

To add to this all DA tickets have a seal on them only myself my CADA (noone currently) can see DA tickets when they are opened so people have to be added and assigned and Clerical assistants can't see tickets before the change its normal practice to use Clerical assistants as that is there function to help with paperwork and get their own experience in the legal world of diverge in which the work he had was indeed alot and you never objected to this

[Gigachad Fabrizio]

15 minutes ago, Logan said:

To add to this all DA tickets have a seal on them only myself my CADA (noone currently) can see DA tickets when they are opened so people have to be added and assigned and Clerical assistants can't see tickets before the change its normal practice to use Clerical assistants as that is there function to help with paperwork and get their own experience in the legal world of diverge in which the work he had was indeed alot and you never objected to this

I objected in DMs

[Logan]

24 minutes ago, Gigachad Fabrizio said:

I objected in DMs

why not in the ticket

[ComradeG]

Hey, I want it on the record that this Detective that was PKd here was directly overseeing Charlie Budweiser's death case which gives Maggie Finch all the more reason to get this guy PKd since her Don char ordered his death.

[WaffleDevs]

9 minutes ago, ComradeG said:

Hey, I want it on the record that this Detective that was PKd here was directly overseeing Charlie Budweiser's death case which gives Maggie Finch all the more reason to get this guy PKd since her Don char ordered his death.

Laventine got the orders on him, and legacy had 0 to do with any of this.

[CharlieBudweiser]

1 minute ago, WaffleDevs said:

Laventine got the orders on him, and legacy had 0 to do with any of this.

  LOL thats funny  pal, cuz ermmm, Legacy Legit told me they ordered it lol. BOZO COPE KOSHER CERTIFIED  

[ComradeG]

10 minutes ago, WaffleDevs said:

Laventine got the orders on him, and legacy had 0 to do with any of this.

You say that yet it Charlie provided Maggy snitching on herself and Martin Riggs's Lucchese char here did the killing (strange it was another cop) so how was Laventine involved ?

 

[WaffleDevs]

2 minutes ago, ComradeG said:

You say that yet it Charlie provided Maggy snitching on herself and Martin Riggs's Lucchese char here did the killing (strange it was another cop) so how was Laventine involved ?

 

 

10 minutes ago, CharlieBudweiser said:

  LOL thats funny  pal, cuz ermmm, Legacy Legit told me they ordered it lol. BOZO COPE KOSHER CERTIFIED  

Both of you are retarded and posted shitty responses. Jeremiah Morgan was PK'd by us at Laventine. (albeit Jenkins is a shit shot). Bringing Charlies death into this is absolutely retarded.

 https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/j0w4CGmXtiqbY66NW?invite=cr-MSwzdHUsMTg0NDI0Nzg5LA

[Toast]

25 minutes ago, ComradeG said:

Hey, I want it on the record that this Detective that was PKd here was directly overseeing Charlie Budweiser's death case which gives Maggie Finch all the more reason to get this guy PKd since her Don char ordered his death.

You're more retarded than Elimoore and that's saying something. Maybe do a bit of research before spouting retarded shit about a PK you know nothing about.

[CharlieBudweiser]

3 minutes ago, Toast said:

You're more retarded than Elimoore and that's saying something. Maybe do a bit of research before spouting retarded shit about a PK you know nothing about.

he is saying the  only cop willing to investigate my pk,  was  him & he just happens to get pk'd the next day. then  i thought jaw line waffles  was referring to my pk, so  i responded. 

[EngineerGaming]

22 hours ago, CharlieBudweiser said:

he is saying the  only cop willing to investigate my pk,  was  him & he just happens to get pk'd the next day. then  i thought jaw line waffles  was referring to my pk, so  i responded. 

Yeah dude, Laventine ordered him dead cause Legacy wanted him dead to stop his investigation into your death. The world revolves around Charles Budlight

[Unsatisfied]

Although the implication that I am some master mind that set up the prefect situation to all line up and kill Morgan becuase he was working on the Charlie Budweiser case is flattering, it's also pretty ridiculous and full of holes. The reason the warrant wasn't redacted is becuase Hamir just got fired for serving a redacted warrant. It's also a new rule that we need to serve criminals the warrant when we raid their banks so the thought of redacting the warrant not only seemed like a bad idea but not realistically something we would have even needed to worry about till recently and clearly don't have and didn't know the systems in place to properly do that until now. On top of all of that, I didn't even know till reading this forums thread that Morgan was the detective working on the Charlie case. I was and still am confident that there was/is no ic evidence linking me or anybody involved with me to Charlie's death. Lastly, I don't even know John Deaux, I have 0 messages with him. I barely communicate with Laventine, just becuase we're in the same alliance doesn't mean I'd set up a whole plot with the risk that at best I would lose my spot in Detectives, something I clearly love and have lots of fun doing, and at worse get me perm banned. 

Morgan was legit just starting to grow on me and he was a damn good detective with solid results. His death legitimately will significantly decrease Detective productivity, the idea that I wanted that is dumb. I understand and am not mad at him for blaming me because from his seat it probably does seem like it was my fault, but with a wider angle of the entire situation it was clearly a mistake that I'm frustrated with too.

This is Charlie just coping and hopping on the Unsatisfied conspiracy train, salty he got pk'd. Enjoy the money your faction didn't deserve and move on dude.

Edited November 8 by Unsatisfied
grammar

[Gigachad Fabrizio]

36 minutes ago, Unsatisfied said:

The reason the warrant wasn't redacted is becuase Hamir just got fired for serving a redacted warrant. It's also a new rule that we need to serve criminals the warrant when we raid their banks so the thought of redacting the warrant not only seemed like a bad idea but not realistically something we would have even needed to worry about till recently and clearly don't have and didn't know the systems in place to properly do that until now. 

Hamir was fired for redacting a warrant on his own. He didnt go through the court system. All that had to be done, was ask the supreme judge for permission to redact it, which would be easy for you since the warrant itself got signed by a supreme judge.

[Bucket Hat Barry]

Lobsters piss from their faces. From right under their eyes.

Edited November 8 by Bucket Hat Barry

[James]

UA as a whole have gone through everything again and have decided to allow the PK. We cant find any evidence of meta game like you suggested there could be, and everything involving the PK followed the rules we have in place about PKing cops. While in this case the leaking of the infomation that it was you undercover in the faction wasn't your fault, that is just one of the risks that comes about when dealing with undercover cases. With how much damage and undercover can do to a faction we have these rules in place to balance it as if there was no risk to going undercover it would be incredibly overpowered.

Your appeal has been reviewed and denied.

We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified.

You may not re-appeal this PK.