Tungee "The G" Royce PK Appeal

[Sirloin]

Name of Character: Tungee "The G" Royce

SteamID: 76561199142840350

Your Discord ID#: catwifwifi

Date of PK: 10/25/24

Reason for PK: Mugging character

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?:

Today I was brought into an admin sit because I wanted to report a player I mugged of breaking fear rp by pulling a gun out on me and dying while I was mugging him. Unfortunately I noticed the footage I had of the guy had no audio of me, so I understand why he couldnt get PKed. Afterwards, anzati1 suddenly started accusing me of rulebreaking. I never expected the admin that would take the sit to show a confrontative attitude towards me, the one that submitted a report, and a bias to try to get me in trouble. 

Initially, anzati1 wanted to PK me for being a "mugging character". I disputed that no, this was in fact my main character, and I had made sure to wait way over 15 minutes between each mug. He argued that because I had mugged 6 times in my 2 days of playing, I was a mugging character and mass mugging. This is my main character and the one I have the most playtime in. My character, Tungee, is a hustler that mugs by night, drives taxi by day, and frequently interacts in a lot of situations. Over my 2 days of playing I've made a lot of connections in the server and I'm known as a dangerous guy but I believe this is how I want to play this character for now. In fact I was invited to join this Islamic faction that I heard was going to open a new Mosque in the city shortly, so I was waiting for that before getting into serious business. Regardless, anzati wanted to PK my character, and without giving me a justification or helping me understand what I did wrong.

Keep in mind I have 2 days on this server and I'm very informed with the rules.  In the following clips, you will see how the admin poorly handled the situation and was abusing his power to get me PKed, despite me giving him my reasons for doing so. He already had a premade idea of what I was doing and his allegations were refuted but he really wanted to get me PKed.

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

 

 Thank you for considering my appeal and have a good night.

[Ruffian]

Yeah, if Anzati bothered to check the notes he would see I issued a note to Tungee for transferring items across characters. I'm not sure why he's being PK'd for the Tito giving him items thing because he was given a note as was approved by @Pendred. Rhodesia, AKA 'Warith'. and myself were given temporary staff permissions for some upcoming server development purposes (we were checking out some items), and we were given a special permission to intercede on this affair when we noticed he was doing an item transfer across characters. Warith, aka Rhodesia, did not receive any items/money in exchange for whatever item he gave Tungee because they roleplayed for 30 minutes after we ran into eachother post-staff sit. But I guess you can't log-check the roleplay, can you?

Appalling that this new player was insulted by a senior admin and called a 'noob' and 'degenerate' because he bothered to roleplay with Rhodesia and I, despite the fact we've never met him before until we selflessly took times out of our days to uphold the server rules.

Edited October 26 by Ruffian

[Rho]

I’m the Warith brought up in the video. Still not sure why it was necessarily mentioned, but I didn’t give him any items and he didn’t give me any. I took them from his inventory via /admincharsearch. It was late at night and pendred had us take a sit. Then we gave them back and left a warning instead. We left a note about it. Also not sure how any of that makes him a ‘degenerate’. When we ran into him IC nearly an hour later, the only thing we gave him was a cassette. 

[anzati1]

PKing admin here,

If the note was invalid, then it would've been removed. If it was 'approved item transfer' (literally not a thing), then it should've been appealed through the proper routes. Notes are not warnings, they are simply notes to put on a players record to give future staff members an idea of what type of player they are. Notes do not always consist of rule breaks, but the large majority of them are. 

Now onto the actual PK, here's a lot of screenshots so stay with me here gang.

First image, you admitting 'I just mug people for a living'. A mugging character is defined as, using an alternative character to intentionally avoid losing any sort of items, or mugging without risk, it is also seen as making mugging your sole roleplay experience on said character, if mugging is your main goal of a character, you are not contributing any roleplay to the server, other than to ruin other players time/experiences on the server by constantly putting yourself in no risk, high reward situations.

I was mistaken, it was not 6 muggings, but 5 and one of them was double tied for whatever reason. Now now now, stay with me here, this is only the successful muggings where you tied up the person. If we look at your kill logs WITHOUT doing anything under assumption, you made a PK ticket for one of them, so its truly 6 muggings and some spare change. 

But then I notice you killed two of the people you had kidnapped? Which is against the rules also. But I'm not speculating so I won't hold it against you, but it does add to the story of you being a mugging character. Onto the next,

Here are all of your money logs for GIVING money. Yet you were given 4 makarovs from "Tito Dick"

I did not punish Tito Dick because it was only 4 makarov's, if it was more severe character abuse/racket abuse, they would've been pked also. But it all boils down to the fact that you never gave Tito any money in exchange for 4 firearms, when you are also not in a faction, nor have any sort of gang affiliation so you cannot call this a "simple favor". 

 

Here is another chat log of you admitting that most of your belongings are from mugging. This is a roleplay server, not a PVP server nor a FiveM 100k or die server. This is all to build character lets say. It is not me being bias because I do not have a single clue who any of you are, I'm an "old" player from 2021, but I only played for a couple of weeks then came back a couple months ago.

 

Nothing from these screenshots created any sort of bias or speculation, the reason for your PK was based on pure factual information (logs) which never lie. Your sole intention of creating this character "Tungee Royce" was to mug people, steal their items, until your faction got added to the server, while other players genuinely do play the server consistently and instantly gain more money. There are better ways to build a character, especially if you're creating a faction, that reputation of 'only muggers' will follow you. (There is a very large difference between what you do, and what Leon currently does on the server, because they do still contribute roleplay while their faction does allow mugging people). Like I said earlier in the appeal, you are giving yourself a Low risk, high reward character for "fun". It is not fun when others experiences are ruined by yourself, just because you don't take the server as serious as your victims.

Side note, considering I just recently found out you come from 42rp, being called a degenerate is not the worse thing that's come to you. Don't act all high and mighty like you haven't said or meant worse before, yes it was a little unprofessional on my end, but when you are an old player it seems, and so genuinely un-educated on what the server is meant to be/what the rules say and define, sometimes it happens.

 

Edit: I forgot to add, your character was created 10-24 at 02am:01:03, then you instantly resort to mugging people at 10-24 03am:00:32.....

 

Edited October 26 by anzati1

[Sirloin]

1 hour ago, anzati1 said:

PKing admin here,

If the note was invalid, then it would've been removed. If it was 'approved item transfer' (literally not a thing), then it should've been appealed through the proper routes. Notes are not warnings, they are simply notes to put on a players record to give future staff members an idea of what type of player they are. Notes do not always consist of rule breaks, but the large majority of them are. 

Now onto the actual PK, here's a lot of screenshots so stay with me here gang.

First image, you admitting 'I just mug people for a living'. A mugging character is defined as, using an alternative character to intentionally avoid losing any sort of items, or mugging without risk, it is also seen as making mugging your sole roleplay experience on said character, if mugging is your main goal of a character, you are not contributing any roleplay to the server, other than to ruin other players time/experiences on the server by constantly putting yourself in no risk, high reward situations.

I was mistaken, it was not 6 muggings, but 5 and one of them was double tied for whatever reason. Now now now, stay with me here, this is only the successful muggings where you tied up the person. If we look at your kill logs WITHOUT doing anything under assumption, you made a PK ticket for one of them, so its truly 6 muggings and some spare change. 

But then I notice you killed two of the people you had kidnapped? Which is against the rules also. But I'm not speculating so I won't hold it against you, but it does add to the story of you being a mugging character. Onto the next,

Here are all of your money logs for GIVING money. Yet you were given 4 makarovs from "Tito Dick"

I did not punish Tito Dick because it was only 4 makarov's, if it was more severe character abuse/racket abuse, they would've been pked also. But it all boils down to the fact that you never gave Tito any money in exchange for 4 firearms, when you are also not in a faction, nor have any sort of gang affiliation so you cannot call this a "simple favor". 

 

Here is another chat log of you admitting that most of your belongings are from mugging. This is a roleplay server, not a PVP server nor a FiveM 100k or die server. This is all to build character lets say. It is not me being bias because I do not have a single clue who any of you are, I'm an "old" player from 2021, but I only played for a couple of weeks then came back a couple months ago.

 

Nothing from these screenshots created any sort of bias or speculation, the reason for your PK was based on pure factual information (logs) which never lie. Your sole intention of creating this character "Tungee Royce" was to mug people, steal their items, until your faction got added to the server, while other players genuinely do play the server consistently and instantly gain more money. There are better ways to build a character, especially if you're creating a faction, that reputation of 'only muggers' will follow you. (There is a very large difference between what you do, and what Leon currently does on the server, because they do still contribute roleplay while their faction does allow mugging people). Like I said earlier in the appeal, you are giving yourself a Low risk, high reward character for "fun". It is not fun when others experiences are ruined by yourself, just because you don't take the server as serious as your victims.

Side note, considering I just recently found out you come from 42rp, being called a degenerate is not the worse thing that's come to you. Don't act all high and mighty like you haven't said or meant worse before, yes it was a little unprofessional on my end, but when you are an old player it seems, and so genuinely un-educated on what the server is meant to be/what the rules say and define, sometimes it happens.

 

Edit: I forgot to add, your character was created 10-24 at 02am:01:03, then you instantly resort to mugging people at 10-24 03am:00:32.....

 

According to the rules: "You may not have a character for the express purpose of mugging/raiding as a means to avoid consequences on your main character.". As you can see from the logs you have access to, the vast majority of my playtime on this server, is in fact on Tungee, my main character. This is not an alternate character by any means, and most of the wealth I've accumulated is also in Tungee, which wouldn't make it a "low risk" character. Nowhere in the rules does it say you can't mug on your main character. In fact, there's a 15 minute grace period for a reason, that's the minimum you must wait between mugs. I decide to wait longer between mugs and conduct them very carefully as I don't want to die. 

Alot of the evidence you collected here is in fact speculation. For example, the player you mentioned that I zip tied twice and killed was because of a server bug. Everytime I'd zip tie him he would get police cuffed, and I even called an admin about it that kicked the char from the server and made him rejoin (you can check the logs for this too btw). I later cuffed him again to see if the bug was fixed, but it wasn't. 

You also brought up my kill logs but most of the players I've killed weren't because of mugs. For example two of the players in the kill logs were trying to assault me and after multiple verbal warnings wouldn't leave, so they got killed.

Finally you mention another player I'm roleplaying with me giving me guns, but none of this is against the rules. This player is giving me a headstart in the city in exchange for me helping him out with banking some items and he'd get paid for the guns in the future. 

If my sole intention in the server was mugging, and you found that I had 6 mugs, how come I have 12 hours in the server doing other things other than this sole activity you accuse me of doing? I have participated in a lot of roleplay you are simply not aware of but decide to accuse me against just because roleplay is not shown in the logs. 

I don't see how any of the evidence you've gathered incriminates me or would give you a reason, beyond reasonable doubt, to PK my character. I believe you went into this admin sit with a premade idea of who I was and decided to gather information that would fit this narrative to later PK my char.

 

 

[Ruffian]

35 minutes ago, Sirloin said:

Alot of the evidence you collected here is in fact speculation. For example, the player you mentioned that I zip tied twice and killed was because of a server bug. Everytime I'd zip tie him he would get police cuffed, and I even called an admin about it that kicked the char from the server and made him rejoin (you can check the logs for this too btw). I later cuffed him again to see if the bug was fixed, but it wasn't.

 

Yeah, @Rho, @Pendred, and I personally saw this. Character 'Burt Cocaine' would get cop-cuffed when he was ziptied. Great job pointing that out Tungee, it was just baseless speculation because this was a real bug that happened.

[anzati1]

I said my piece and don't really need to reply anymore but I thought this was funny.

1 hour ago, Sirloin said:

If my sole intention in the server was mugging, and you found that I had 6 mugs, how come I have 12 hours in the server doing other things other than this sole activity you accuse me of doing? I have participated in a lot of roleplay you are simply not aware of but decide to accuse me against just because roleplay is not shown in the logs. 

A whole whopping 12 hours of roleplay wowww!!! This is meaningless, people spend days, weeks, months roleplaying and still get caught on being mugging characters (Using an alternative character to mug instead of having risk on your main character). you stated it yourself multiple times your sole intention of the character is to mug until a faction gets added.

[Sirloin]

9 hours ago, anzati1 said:

I said my piece and don't really need to reply anymore but I thought this was funny.

A whole whopping 12 hours of roleplay wowww!!! This is meaningless, people spend days, weeks, months roleplaying and still get caught on being mugging characters (Using an alternative character to mug instead of having risk on your main character). you stated it yourself multiple times your sole intention of the character is to mug until a faction gets added.

I don't understand why you have to be so condescending to new players of the community. It's clear to me you are biased and trying to get me in trouble. As I've stated before, this is my main character. I just started playing 2 days ago and was playing 6 hours a day until you PKed me. Unless the rules clearly state a player can't mug in his main character, I don't see why my character was PKed. 

[Ruffian]

16 hours ago, anzati1 said:

I said my piece and don't really need to reply anymore but I thought this was funny.

A whole whopping 12 hours of roleplay wowww!!! This is meaningless, people spend days, weeks, months roleplaying and still get caught on being mugging characters (Using an alternative character to mug instead of having risk on your main character). you stated it yourself multiple times your sole intention of the character is to mug until a faction gets added.

Just goes to show how dismissive you are to this new player who wanted to roleplay as a criminal. Also, "you stated it yourself multiple times your sole intention of the character is to mug until a faction gets added." - What does this even mean? His faction? He only met us the other night, he didn't know about the faction until we roleplayed with him and tried to get him out of the crime lifestyle. You're just talking out of your ass to justify this inane PK. How could it be a "mugging character" until his faction gets added if he didn't even know about the faction until after he already dedicated himself to roleplaying as a criminal?

[KingJewMonaclu]

Being that this was your main character, and you were mugging on your main character, I believe that there's an issue with labelling you as a mugging character. Typically a mugging character would be seen as an alternative character that you take the risk of mugging on to create an imbalance in the risk, causing low risk for the mugger and high risk for the mugged, or a situation where you get pked for mugging and then make a new character and immediately start again. In a situation where it's your main character, the risk is more balanced.

 

Your appeal has been reviewed and accepted.

Your character has been reinstated and can be used again.